Reporting Cheaters - read this first!


#181

Argh, I can’t find my last post.

What I meant to say is this: should newbies have to LEAVE a game just to figure out what it does? Tactics are fine in forums, but we’re talking about RULES here. Tactics are what an enemy might do, rules are what the GAME might do. Those one-sentence summaries are totally inadequate for describing behavior and leave out more “what happens if…?” scenarios than the Bill of Rights!

If “Pass and Play” is the way you’re supposed to learn, that’s great, but the second you try to end your experiment it says that it will “count as a loss”, effectively scaring away newbies from trying.

I guess I’m saying that game needs to make clear how it wants you to learn it. Right now, it doesn’t have full rules, it doesn’t refer you to a forum, it doesn’t encourage you to try Pass and Play, it doesn’t point to a tutorial game, it just sits there and expects you to go out there and get massacred.


#182

Sightreader, I feel ya bro, but this really isn’t the place to be talking about it. I’ll quote you in my old game improvements thread, though. I know Adam and Alex check it when it’s up (well, one of them posted in it once, at least)


#183

— Begin quote from ‘ElPared’ pid=‘51429’ dateline=‘1369891875’

Sightreader, I feel ya bro, but this really isn’t the place to be talking about it. I’ll quote you in my old game improvements thread, though. I know Adam and Alex check it when it’s up (well, one of them posted in it once, at least)

— End quote

Oh, sorry. I don’t know how any of this is structured. Yes, if you can forward this to the powers that be then that would be fine. Rules are supposed to describe game behavior before it happens, not justify it after you’re screwed.

A fix may be as simple as adding the phrase “Experiment with Outwitters” to the Pass and Play small print or encouraging using it that way at the end of the Tutorial script.


#184

There could be an interactive tutorial game option underneath pass and play and be the only one unlocked if its a new player. It could put you on a tutorial map and you start as a Scallywags team. The game will tell you how to move the highlighted soldier and about wit spaces and wits and the spawn space. Then the game will teach you about the spawn selection screen and the different units and shows demos of the specials. Then the computer opponent attacks your units and gives the opportunity for the game to teach about attacking and buffing and wit for kills and FoW. Then the game will make it your turn and teach you about turns and wits per turn and then let you attack the base and win and explain the tiers, points, and the 2 ways to win a game. Then when you finish the tutorial, the game will let you play the other game modes.

We could discuss more in the feature requests thread


#185

HELP!! I’ve run into a mega cheater, and lost two games so far. Plus two more active games. He knocks out the 5 HP base with one runner hit!! What’s up with that?!?!

outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Y_u7fAww

Please reverse this and ban him from other games, thanks!


#186

Alex has said before that reversing it is impossible, sorry :frowning:

but rest assured this person will be banned (though they will likely just make a new GC ID)


#187

His name has a weird accent on the u (where the █ is). Is it like that on the game list or is it an Outwitter’s glitch?


#188

Weird u with an apostrophe and single quotation mark accent


#189

Ouch, 3 games vs this guy…


#190

I am “this guy”… It would not be fair to erase these games I worked hard for. You can erase that one because there is a glitch and it was not fair for jaxxin. But just look at my other game we finished. It is completely fair. If he finishes the other games you will see they are fair too. We are already a few turns into each one. If it was really on purpose I should have already won all those other games from cheating.

http://osn.codepenguin.com/replays/view/ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Y0OreAww


#191

I just met my first cheater. Here’s the game link:
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Y-4jkAww

The name is DoggyJiun


#192

— Begin quote from ‘FL4C’ pid=‘52613’ dateline=‘1371086201’

I am “this guy”… It would not be fair to erase these games I worked hard for. You can erase that one because there is a glitch and it was not fair for jaxxin. But just look at my other game we finished. It is completely fair. If he finishes the other games you will see they are fair too. We are already a few turns into each one. If it was really on purpose I should have already won all those other games from cheating.

http://osn.codepenguin.com/replays/view/ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Y0OreAww

— End quote

i highly doubt that was a glitch. its very possible that you only tried cheating in one of the games. but i could be wrong…


#193

— Begin quote from ‘FL4C’ pid=‘52613’ dateline=‘1371086201’

I am “this guy”… It would not be fair to erase these games I worked hard for. You can erase that one because there is a glitch and it was not fair for jaxxin. But just look at my other game we finished. It is completely fair. If he finishes the other games you will see they are fair too. We are already a few turns into each one. If it was really on purpose I should have already won all those other games from cheating.

http://osn.codepenguin.com/replays/view/ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Y0OreAww

— End quote

Ahhh, visiting the cheater thread to see if anyone is reporting your cheating, hmmm? PLEASE BAN HIM, it hasn’t happened yet and the games are still active.

Btw it’s pretty simple to prove your “glitch” excuse is a lie: you are the only one its ever happened to. The forums would be lit up if this “one runner game over” glitch existed within Outwitters code.


#194

— Begin quote from ‘FL4C’ pid=‘52613’ dateline=‘1371086201’

I am “this guy”… It would not be fair to erase these games I worked hard for.

— End quote

I sympathize that you’ve worked hard for where you’re at, but if your victory was accidental then you need to report it right away - well before your opponent does. If there is a glitch, then your first priority has to be to submit the specific circumstances that create the glitch so that others can reproduce it on their client. If you cannot create those conditions, then you really can’t blame people for assuming you are using a hack.

If you did download something that makes your client run abnormally, then you have to accept responsibility for what it might do and know that downloading stuff puts your entire record at risk. If that’s what happened, then please show a little mea culpa and learn your lesson for next time. Can you imagine if they allowed everyone a “But just this once”? Everyone would know they have a freebie and we’d all be trying to keep track of how many times someone has used a hack.

This is the internet: people get screwed by accidentally running viruses every day, and none of them get a second chance. Be glad it’s just a game.


#195

— Begin quote from ‘Jaxxin…’ pid=‘52767’ dateline=‘1371253659’

— Begin quote from ‘FL4C’ pid=‘52613’ dateline=‘1371086201’

I am “this guy”… It would not be fair to erase these games I worked hard for. You can erase that one because there is a glitch and it was not fair for jaxxin. But just look at my other game we finished. It is completely fair. If he finishes the other games you will see they are fair too. We are already a few turns into each one. If it was really on purpose I should have already won all those other games from cheating.

http://osn.codepenguin.com/replays/view/ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Y0OreAww

— End quote

Ahhh, visiting the cheater thread to see if anyone is reporting your cheating, hmmm? PLEASE BAN HIM, it hasn’t happened yet and the games are still active.

Btw it’s pretty simple to prove your “glitch” excuse is a lie: you are the only one its ever happened to. The forums would be lit up if this “one runner game over” glitch existed within Outwitters code.

— End quote

Two things. 1. You are manipulative and dishonest. Look a your initial wording where you make it seem like you lost BOTH games unfairly and try to get them BOTH reversed despite it only occurring in one game. 2. I saw the top 200 thread linked from news and it occurred to me that maybe there is an active community I could learn from. I came here and discovered the amazing code penguin site! But, I saw I already had 2 games uploaded so I wondered why. I checked the bug thread because I thought it was possible you uploaded my replay to show it there. When it wasn’t I figured the next best bet was the cheating thread and I was right!

So, sorry about the thorn gulley game and you didn’t deserve a loss there, but don’t make unfounded assumptions behind my motivations for things like visiting the forums.


#196

if it was indeed a glitch then Alex is looking at your game now to see what happened. However, since this glitch has never been reported and you’re the first to notice it and you didn’t report it yourself, the evidence points pretty strongly to you being a cheater. “I only did it in one game” just means you only tried it once.

Remember, this is the Internet. You’re guilty until proven innocent here :stuck_out_tongue:


#197

With respect to everyone, I’d say it was a glitch. With most cheaters, the replay would crash Outwitters, however, this replay did not crash, it just showed a runner hitting the base and then endgame. With this said, I’m not sure whether this was an accident or exploit, although I’m leaning towards one side.


#198

— Begin quote from ‘Sylhco’ pid=‘52617’ dateline=‘1371089179’

I just met my first cheater. Here’s the game link:
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Y-4jkAww

The name is DoggyJiun

— End quote

I haven’t heard back on this yet. Is that normal? Or am I missing something?


#199

That is someone using another software to cheat and get unlimited wits. Its not normal.

If someone is glitching the game to get an unfair advantage, its still cheating.[hr]
It could also be an accidental find, like that guy who discovered the no FoW glitch, and he was still experimenting with the glitch but Jaxxin… reported it first making it seem like he was going to do that in every game.


#200

I would like for someone to take a look at this game and tell me how this person says I have cheated! I have contacted OML and hope that I can resolve this!
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Y9YzxAww
Thanks